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Dunno fella ,there were loads off people getting the 1st jab at Addenbrookes yesterday,,,,,but now I had to come home from work cos my wife feels terrible,,,she has gone to bed ,,,I am with my youngest boy .

hopefully she can shift the aches and headache,,,I think there now should be a total lockdown,,only emergency services,,key workers allowed out ,,,no building works etc etc for a couple of weeks .

anyway the wife had the 1st jab ,,,but she won’t be totally covered until the 2nd jab ,,she still has to test herself after every shift 

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42 minutes ago, Asc3 said:

So again I have just heard a GP on the radio stating she was expected to complete 20 hours of training and complete excessive paperwork to be able to give Covid injections. This process will cause some potential jabbers to be put off and not offer their time or service.

i heard a Senior Minister when told of this last week (Matt Hancock?) say he would personally endure this craziness (Civil Service Madness??) would cease immediately.

Apparently the reason for the rate reducing factor at the moment is the supply of the vaccine but down the line it will be the amount of jabbers and the hours (vaccines) they give.

When there are so obvious indications of possible inefficiency why aren't our rabble rousing troublemaking journalists consistently asking questions to get accurate answers.

Does anyone on this forum have more information? How is such a vital service of vaccine roll out showing signs of restriction in the future not being shouted from the rooftops.

Am I the only one that thinks if we had 50,000 Jabbers working 24 hours a day it would not be enough to fight Covid and allow people to return to normal life. 

Has the UK lost its efficiency. Have our standards been downgraded. Are we as inefficient in World Standards as our Covid figures suggest.?????

 

 

This pandemic is unprecedented. That means there is absolutely zilch information to base any decisions on. It has been a case of 'best guesses' provided by scientists who don't always agree. The initial  decisions that were  tried were, basically, theoretical. As more was learned about the virus ways of dealing with the problem were modified or changed. Because all viruses mutate, so practices that worked became obsolete and the way the virus was tackled had to be redesigned. 

For me, I fully understand people's frustrations and fears. However, I I feel that much of the criticism (usually based on hindsight) is an emotional reaction. This isn't a single problem but several. Even worse, taking action to solve one invariably worsens and adversely effects others. This results in these emotional reactions being seen as selfish people are protecting their own interests. 

Although it was known another pandemic happening was extremely likely, exactly when is impossible to predict. More importantly, one as deadly and vicious as this was totally unexpected. Apart from South Korea, which still had everything in place from the Mers pandemic in 2012, no country in the world had anything in place to deal with coronavirus. Globally the Mers pandemic had  only 2400 cases world wide with over a third dying.

The logistics required to Implement any course of action the length and breadth of England is tremendously massive. Trying to implement a country wide vaccination programme at his stage of the pandemic was always going to be hugely difficult. To get it up and running smoothly in a short period of time was never a possibility. At my sisters surgery they have 5 nurses doing the vaccinating. Multiply that by all the surgeries, hospitals and special hubs set up for this and you are talking several thousand places. The NHS is being inundated with the influx of new Covid-19 cases so there are no spare staff there to use. The number of people and vehicles to get the vaccine to those vaccinating centres is also in the thousands. To get this off the ground and running in the unrealistic timescale that is being demanded, in my opinion was never a possibility. It certainly doesn't deserve all the criticism being hurled at those doing there best to set it up. We should be encouraging those involved in the process and not reaching in a way that hurts and demoralising them. 

That's just my opinion. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jamesinashby said:

This pandemic is unprecedented. That means there is absolutely zilch information to base any decisions on. It has been a case of 'best guesses' provided by scientists who don't always agree. The initial  decisions that were  tried were, basically, theoretical. As more was learned about the virus ways of dealing with the problem were modified or changed. Because all viruses mutate, so practices that worked became obsolete and the way the virus was tackled had to be redesigned. 

For me, I fully understand people's frustrations and fears. However, I I feel that much of the criticism (usually based on hindsight) is an emotional reaction. This isn't a single problem but several. Even worse, taking action to solve one invariably worsens and adversely effects others. This results in these emotional reactions being seen as selfish people are protecting their own interests. 

Although it was known another pandemic happening was extremely likely, exactly when is impossible to predict. More importantly, one as deadly and vicious as this was totally unexpected. Apart from South Korea, which still had everything in place from the Mers pandemic in 2012, no country in the world had anything in place to deal with coronavirus. Globally the Mers pandemic had  only 2400 cases world wide with over a third dying.

The logistics required to Implement any course of action the length and breadth of England is tremendously massive. Trying to implement a country wide vaccination programme at his stage of the pandemic was always going to be hugely difficult. To get it up and running smoothly in a short period of time was never a possibility. At my sisters surgery they have 5 nurses doing the vaccinating. Multiply that by all the surgeries, hospitals and special hubs set up for this and you are talking several thousand places. The NHS is being inundated with the influx of new Covid-19 cases so there are no spare staff there to use. The number of people and vehicles to get the vaccine to those vaccinating centres is also in the thousands. To get this off the ground and running in the unrealistic timescale that is being demanded, in my opinion was never a possibility. It certainly doesn't deserve all the criticism being hurled at those doing there best to set it up. We should be encouraging those involved in the process and not reaching in a way that hurts and demoralising them. 

That's just my opinion. 

 

James I agree with all you say I aim no criticism at those setting up and working in the vaccination centres.

Throughout the Pandemic I have been annoyed and upset  with those who with the benefit  of hindsight have criticised but have also been reluctant to give a prediction of what action should be carried out.

I fully back Boris and his Pandemic team but am astute enough to know mistakes have been made but due to the complexity of the Pandemic they are complaints that will serve lessons for those dealing with similar situations it he future.

One of Boris's major failures which has never been explained and I don't know the importance of it being inefficient is the trace and track system. Boris called it World Class when it was introduced and I recall it certainly wasn't in the early weeks. I don't really hear much about it now so I don't know if it is now an effective system. I'm 67 and the wife 64 and have both had Cancer in recent years couldn't sign up for the NHS App because our 2,year old Mobile phones weren't the right IOS or something. Our phones are 30 months old. I would have thought any App system should have included us  as vulnerable people. However, my concern over the Vaccine has nothing to do with my circumstances but after 12 months notice of the Pandemic and to be honest it has not all been efficiency all the way the one thing the Government can control is an efficient administrative logistical system to introduce the Vaccine.

I will be amazed if the issue of Vaccine is problem free. Production hold ups, Distribution hold ups, Weather, Administrative problems,Number and Availability of Jabbers and possibly negligence will all have their affect.

Promises of 2Million Jabs a week and increased numbers as the service is used and increased in the future may well be the way of it and this madness may reduce to the annual concern of the flu. With foresight and not waiting to quote hindsight I am just slightly concerned that like the track and trace system we have all the enthusiasm for  the Vaccine but also concerns about an over officious system to give a Jab.

This last?? Phase of this Pandemic is the most important. For the immediate future of Health,Economy,Mentality, The NHS, and everything that runs our daily routine this has to be a slick and efficient operation. I await the regular news updates to confirm this is happening.

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For me, Boris and his team's biggest mistake is that from the beginning they badly underestimated the complexity of the situation. This led to them phrasing their intentions implying they would be providing a world beating best. They set specific targets instead of aims with warnings that changes may be needed. With hindsight, I'm sure they would have done things differently. They have learned and no longer make sweeping statements. 

Every country has failed to come up with a solution to satisfactorily deal with all of the different problems as it is insoluble. Every country is being accused of making mistakes. 

I just don't like the use of the word mistake with regard to how the pandemic has been tackled. I don't believe there is an absolutely correct way of beating this pandemic. Firstly dealing with one problem worsens other problems. Secondly, there is no way in this country of forcing people to obey the rules/laws. Thirdly, to stop the country collapsing into bankruptcy the Chancellor is having to borrow to unsustainable levels. Fourthly, a massive number of third world countries will not able to keep it under any sort of control leaving a gate way for it to re-enter into the UK. 

My biggest fear is that this problem is a virus. Like  Flu, Covid-19 cannot be eradicated like polio was. More frighteningly, it can mutate into different forms and may be like Flu so that we need the jab every year. Where as Flu is quite mild in comparison, Covid-19 is far more deadly and can spread like wild fire. 

The problem now, as I see it, will be getting through to the population the fact that the 'normal' lifestyle they crave getting back to is unlikely to happen for a long time - maybe decades. It is pointless imagining a near Utopian existence is a human right. They must face the truth that they have to reduce there standard of living. 

It is of little consequence to me.

I have lived my life. Sadly I have no family to worry about. The pneumonia and Covid-19 have buggered my lungs up so that it is unlikely I will play badminton again or get back to enjoying exercise in the gym. The rest of my life is likely to be simply existing it out. It will be without much of how I wanted to see my last year's out not being available to me. 

At least I can follow Spurs and keep my mind active with my drivel on here. 

COYS 

 

 

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I have seen a picture of a crowd of hundreds outside of Marine's ground to see Spurs coach arrive at the ground. All looked young, of course. 

With the virus becoming more prevalent among the clubs with incidents by these covidiots, it doesn't need for this current spike to wren much more before football to be banned again. 

Without football on TV, my life will be excruciatingly boring.

It needs Draconian punishments to stop it happening and I suggest this. Take their phones off them, wipe them clean so they lose every thing off it plus all stored and cloud. Do not return them for 6 months with a ban they are not allowed to replace them. If they do confiscate them. 

COYS 

 

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thats the bit they need to strenghten, the punishments  

those two ladies fined for driving 5 miles to walk in a country park, i get what they did and its safer to drive those 5 miles than walk them but its still against the guidelines, but now the police have apologised, why? its not like they beat them or harrassed them, they were doing it to protect them and others not to be tough

MArchers protesters  party people,  just shoot them, no mercy, theyre scum 

  i said at the very outset, put people like that on a register, bottom of queue for NHS .benefits/jobs when this is all over etc , instead some of them are probably on level 5 for the vaccine while im on level 9 , yeh thats fair id rather they were shot dead instead of everyone shaking their heads in disbelief about them, Believe its happening, and they dont care so dont care about them 

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After some 2 weeks not feeling breathless, hardly coughing and feeling reasonably well, this morning the cough and breathlessness have returned with tiredness in my legs. Oh well! In the great scheme of things, it is sod all really. 

Because generally the ill effects of this Covid-19 are relatively minor for some 90% of those who catch it, a large percentage of the population must now be aware of this. It is probably why so many are selfishly blatantly ignoring the correct procedures. It does not seem to be impinging on people, that if they unknowingly pass the illness on, they are quite likely to be starting a chain . This chain may include some deaths leaving grieving families. 

It is about time that the Government put out the message that those who ignore the rules are pariahs who may have blood on their hands. Name and shame offenders. Make the punishment 4 weeks of isolation with a £1000 fine if they don't keep to it. If they don't have the money to pay it, then send in the bailiffs to recover it taking their possessions. 

COYS 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Borodin said:

It would appear that contracting Covid-19 and surviving will only grant you temporary immunity and will not stop your ability to transmit the virus ....

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55651518

Interesting but worrying. 

My fears that this constantly mutating virus will severely restrict any return to the normal we were used to have been reignited by this article. There is a new variant in Brazil that the Government is concerned about. They may have to stop all but essential movement between the UK and Brazil and possibly South America. 

It just needs one of these variants to not being covered by the vaccine, and fairly severe restrictions will still remain. 

Also, having had it once not necessarily meaning it can't be caught again is disappointing - especially and mainly, as when caught again, it may not show symptoms so it can be passed onto others unknowingly. 

I had written off next year for resuming holidays. Having caught it and hoping to be vaccinated this month, I had hoped to go to Tenerife in October. To avoid disappointment, I think I will write off 2021.

COYS 

 

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Not working tomorrow cos my boss had to get tested for Covid after his other place off work Stamford stone have had an out break off the virus ,,,,none off my bosses stonemasons,,,just all the other fellas that work for Stamford stone ,,fingers crossed he is ok ,,I saw him this morning before he was informed by the big bosses at Stamford,,,my other boss still wanted me to go to work tomorrow,,I declined his request explaining the result don’t come back for 24 hrs ,,,if I went to work stopped in Tesco’s,,the bakers etc and the other boss tested positive I might have passed it on to others ,,he said you won’t cos you where a mask ,,amazingly 

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19 hours ago, Mr8ball said:

Not working tomorrow cos my boss had to get tested for Covid after his other place off work Stamford stone have had an out break off the virus ,,,,none off my bosses stonemasons,,,just all the other fellas that work for Stamford stone ,,fingers crossed he is ok ,,I saw him this morning before he was informed by the big bosses at Stamford,,,my other boss still wanted me to go to work tomorrow,,I declined his request explaining the result don’t come back for 24 hrs ,,,if I went to work stopped in Tesco’s,,the bakers etc and the other boss tested positive I might have passed it on to others ,,he said you won’t cos you where a mask ,,amazingly 

Hopefully he will be clear. If not, hopefully he is fit and healthy and will not be too unwell with it if my experience is anything to go on. He'll be able to work from home with it for the 10 days he is isolating. 

You were right to decline. You have a family at home so be careful and self isolate until you know the result.

COYS

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My stepson took his partner to a testing station this morning in Norfolk as she was showing symptoms. They will know within 24 hours. I was surprised that he was not tested as well but I presume in an effort to minimise workload as much as possible only people with symptoms have to take the test. He is showing none at present.

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2 minutes ago, Mr8ball said:

He should have got tested aswell fella,,hope that everyone is ok mate 

Cheers mate, apparently the new ruling is that only people who are showing symptoms get tested. If Vicky is negative then fine but if she tests positive they must both self isolate for 14 days.

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On 1/15/2021 at 1:27 PM, Mr8ball said:

Fingers crossed 

All good here, Vicky had an e-mail telling her she was negative. The girl is asthmatic but after having a sore throat and her nebulizer failing to control a coughing bout she thought it best to get tested. Phew !

I'm just wondering what reaction we will see by the public to the vaccine they are offered. My wife and I are naturally hoping that we get the Pfizer or Moderna versions which are quoting up to 95% immunity levels whilst the Oxford one is only up to 70% effective. I fully appreciate that we should be grateful to have the chance of any vaccination this quickly but there is a massive difference in effectiveness which is clearly illustrated in the price of the Oxford version, it's different method of manufacture and its less demanding storage requirements.

If I was given the choice of waiting another few weeks instead of having that one and/or having to pay towards receiving the Pfizer / Moderna ones then I would gladly do that. Anybody else feel the same way ??

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I would pay mate ,,,it’s gonna make my family’s life a lot better ,,,if only for a year ,,,,to be able to go to the battle cruiser,,,a restaurant and have a sit down meal ,,,

everyone will need that card to do anything soon ,,,going on holiday ( not bothered about abroad now) to the Norfolk cost line ,,,nice caravan,,,club house ,,fishing ,,football,,drinking,,meeting different people blah blah great fish and chips can’t go wrong 

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Having the choice ,,,one taking my family to watch spurs,,,watch England play cricket.at lords or even at fenners in Cambridge to watch the cricket,,,or to be able to go horse racing at Newmarket again would be awesome,,,play 8 ball pool with my family in the club ,,darts in the pub ,,cribbage in the pub ,,,to go fishing ,,,getting seriously bored with work go there ,,go to Tesco’s on way home that’s it .i know it’s the same for everyone,,,but we all need the sun and warmth ,,,even to sit in the garden would be nice 

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My boss showed me a trailer for a film called songbird ( or Covid 23 ) even he said this should never be realsed due people’s mental health conditions at the moment,,it’s really kin fucked ,,,

I am so pleased that I don’t have an iPhone or that entrance into the shite that is on the internet,,,lots off people struggling are listening to a load off absolute crap ,,and cos off no interaction with family’s and friends,,they are going into there shells .its kin horrible 

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3 hours ago, Mr8ball said:

My boss showed me a trailer for a film called songbird ( or Covid 23 ) even he said this should never be realsed due people’s mental health conditions at the moment,,it’s really kin fucked ,,,

I am so pleased that I don’t have an iPhone or that entrance into the shite that is on the internet,,,lots off people struggling are listening to a load off absolute crap ,,and cos off no interaction with family’s and friends,,they are going into there shells .its kin horrible 

Totally agree it's disgusting to try and profit from something that still has the World on hold. To make a film about this now is beyond words.

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48 minutes ago, Audere Est Facere said:

and now a wedding party of 200 + in Nth London, seriously just shoot the tuncs 

I thought I seen a report that it was 400 plus....but how is it possible to have so many stupid people in one circle of family,friends or organisations. How was it possible to book it,administer it,supply it, arrive at it and even have prior knowledge of it. I cannot believe it was  not common knowledge in the local area weeks before the event.

What a perfect opportunity for the Police to have Convoys of vehicles parked around the corner to detain every individual, transport them to a pre arranged court, fine them and let them walk home.

A great opportunity to send out a message to the minority of numpties  in the UK that don't follow our rules and aren't even made to by our majority compliant society.

A country that does not follow the rules will eventually have to face the music. We will end up like France who end up with fire on the streets most weekends because they won't face their problems.

This post may sound extreme but nothing like Audere would have done to them. Lol.

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I am a dinosaur when it comes to modern technology. Although I am very limited as to what I can use, the Internet makes it easy to set things up. Anything can be set up and passed to 400+ people in minutes. Kids today are very cute at deceiving their elders and have been gifted the way to do it using the Internet. 

I suspect that someone spotted people arriving and alerted the police of a possible illegal gathering. I also suspect there are many illegal gatherings that escape being caught. 

I know I always harp on about the 40s and 50s, but then there were strict rules regarding behaviour with severe punishments. Today the young are encouraged to believe they are adult enough to do their own thing. They know, by and large, they will get away with things and there is no fear element to stop them. 

I have learned over the years there is a lot of truth in the old adage, 'You can't put an old head on young shoulders'. However, as the young seem to have taken over and they pull the strings, it is something we law abiding folk have to put up with with no control over. This is modern day Britain. 

In 50+ years time, these young people who have no respect for the law will find out the hard way that the beliefs they held when young were rubbish, but we cannot turn back the years to put things right. 

COYS 

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