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Disappointing. OK, we should have had a last minute penalty to snatch an undeserved draw but that doesn't hide the problems. 

Firstly, a very puzzling starting line up. If you start with a back four, to play the FB's as wing backs against the liverpool front 3 is always asking for trouble. Also, if starting with a back four I believe you have to start with 2 from Moura, Son and Lamela.

A three central midfield of Winks, Dier. and Dembele doesn't work for me. They appeared to be no pace or drive coming from them.

As pointed out by some on here we started with the wong goalie and it cost us 2 goals.

As pointed out on here by some, Dier is not up to the standard we are looking for.

Five games in, and we are already chasing for the title and that after winning our first 3 games. As I said earlier, a defeat must be seen as a disaster.

Questions must now be asked on Poch's team selection and substitutions and also of the attitude of some of the players.

COYS

 

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In the end, despite daft mistakes from Vorm, which he countered with two excellent saves by the way, we could have got a point. Wank refereeing again. Time to give Gazza another start, Yes ! even in San Siro !

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14 hours ago, Royce 71 said:

I find it amazing there are question marks over whether a top player who these days are elite athletes, massaged, monitored/pampered players are unable to play 2 games (apparently) within 72 hours! Suggest to a player he might be tired often enough and for sure that's exactly what he will become!

The likes of Dave Mackay must be turning in his grave, rest his soul.

Agree. Escort him to one of his mansions...

Take him to a room with 3 tables.

1. First Table. A stack of Tenners denoting his first contract with the Club.

2. Second Table. A stack of Twenty's denoting his contract from 2 years ago.

3. Third Table. Stacks of Fifties with bonuses thrown in. A couple of Gold bars as well.

He may remember his humble beginnings and how lucky he is and stop being so precious.

Why do footballers allow spokesmen to highlight their periods of blandness are down to tiredness. Man up and get on with it.

As a man who only ever had minimum pay rises I still remember the ?? 6 per cent Maggie gave the HM Forces in 1977. God bless her!!

 

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I really dislike Lamela. I think he is a self centred man who has not been committed to Spurs and when he did play regularly sometime ago he gave away yellow cards all over the pitch and always struck me as a red card waiting to happen.

He has never shown why he was purchased for 30Million and I doubt we would get that for him now.......but he made a difference when he came on. Not only the goal but his presence resulted in a better atmosphere at the end of the game. Maybe I could grow to like him?

Our Top (Irreplaceable?) players didn't turn up again. Only Harry at his best is more valuable than Dele. We missed Dele today. 

If this is the best we have got its going to be a long hard season against the Premiership scrappers, the best in Europe and the Top 5 in the Premiership.

 

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37 minutes ago, Asc3 said:

I really dislike Lamela. I think he is a self centred man who has not been committed to Spurs and when he did play regularly sometime ago he gave away yellow cards all over the pitch and always struck me as a red card waiting to happen.

He has never shown why he was purchased for 30Million and I doubt we would get that for him now.......but he made a difference when he came on. Not only the goal but his presence resulted in a better atmosphere at the end of the game. Maybe I could grow to like him?

Our Top (Irreplaceable?) players didn't turn up again. Only Harry at his best is more valuable than Dele. We missed Dele today. 

If this is the best we have got its going to be a long hard season against the Premiership scrappers, the best in Europe and the Top 5 in the Premiership.

 

I know it is early days, but much of that written by you over the last few weeks is looking nearer to the truth than that written by those of us wearing our rose tinted glasses. That which makes it more worrying is that Chelsea and Woolwich, with there new managers, have started to look they may be bigger rivals than we were expecting them to be.

We have three game changers in Moura, Son and Lamela. Why oh why are we not starting with 2 of them during this spell when Harry is not scoring? Why not play a diamond with Harry up front and Eriksen making up the four? With 4 attacking midfielders, it seems to me it wouldn't be that much of a risk. It seems to me we must change something in our approach as the Watford and Liverpool games have shown the way we are playing isn't providing the wins we need.

As a top 4 finish is beginning to show signs it may be 4 from the usual 6, it may well prove you were right that not not buying in the window could prove to be a big mistake. However, there is a long time to go yet and the last two matches, as worrying as they have been, may not yet be an indicator of where our season is heading. Having said that, today feels is a bit like we Spurs fan have to often endure - squeaky bum time.

COYS

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5 minutes ago, Jamesinashby said:

I know it is early days, but much of that written by you over the last few weeks is looking nearer to the truth than that written by those of us wearing our rose tinted glasses. That which makes it more worrying is that Chelsea and Woolwich, with there new managers, have started to look they may be bigger rivals than we were expecting them to be.

We have three game changers in Moura, Son and Lamela. Why oh why are we not starting with 2 of them during this spell when Harry is not scoring? Why not play a diamond with Harry up front and Eriksen making up the four? With 4 attacking midfielders, it seems to me it wouldn't be that much of a risk. It seems to me we must change something in our approach as the Watford and Liverpool games have shown the way we are playing isn't providing the wins we need.

As a top 4 finish is beginning to show signs it may be 4 from the usual 6, it may well prove you were right that not not buying in the window could prove to be a big mistake. However, there is a long time to go yet and the last two matches, as worrying as they have been, may not yet be an indicator of where our season is heading. Having said that, today feels is a bit like we Spurs fan have to often endure - squeaky bum time.

COYS

Liverpool one of our hardest opponents so losing is not the end of the world. If we play as well as last season then we will have a good season.

The problem is the sparkle is not there at the moment. Strong Club Captain, Transfer In, Disenchaned want always, Acheived my goal(New Contract), Sussed out by competitors,Squad Harmony etc etc. 

More than anything I fear injuries later in the season and not having a strong squad because then I will have bore most posters on here with my "I told you so" stories.

Only have to win most of our games for that not to happen.!!!!!

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3 hours ago, Asc3 said:

Liverpool one of our hardest opponents so losing is not the end of the world. 

Umm!!! Obviously not, but I don't think we should shrug off this result so lightly regardless of the fact OF Liverpool being one of the bookies favourites in with a chance of winning the title this season.

My reading of the situation is that both DL and Poch have led me to believe that THFC has a target they are aiming for. That target is to become a top European side. To achieve this there is one indisputable thing that has to be achieved and that is for the club to be playing in the CL. This means it is essential to finish in the top 4. Fail to do this, then keeping your best players and attracting top class players to the club becomes almost impossible.

In the EPL 10 years ago this was far less difficult for the best teams as there were only. 2 or 3 teams rivalling each other almost guaranteeing a place in the EC. In todays climate, this has increased to 6!. So for me, it is essential to be beating your rivals at home regardless of how good they are regarded to be. So losing to City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal at home for me is quite a serious set back. Losing at home is undesirable, but to a bottom 14 team is no where near as serious. Losing a 6 pointer is not what we need.

Yes this one game at this early time in the season is not the end of the world. However, it is a serious set back as it has given one of rivals a 6 point start on us. 

As you rightly point out, if we are unlucky enough to suffer with injuries, losing at home to rivals could mean missing out on a top 4 finish. I am in no way suggesting at this stage of the season we are in danger of falling short. But should the unthinkable happen, 4 years of hard work could be put in jeopardy. 

Just another way of looking at it.

COYS

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"Wijnaldum oh Wijnaldum,  wherefore art thou Wijnaldum? 

Once you begged the Poch to come, but instead he signed a bum".

The talk is of Sissoko, of course! Buuuuut....Wait? He is not playing but we are losing even though? Something is rotten in Denmark. Or in Pochys head?

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Again. Shite formation, shite performance! 4-2-1-2.... really? 

One thing is really a mystery to me, we haven't signed new players, but to me it looks like Poch hasn't got a clue how to position the lads. Dier as RM? Dier? Winksy okay, but against Millner its like a box fight we already know who will win. The mid was theirs. So, what happened to the good ol 4-2-3-1 we have demolished most of the clubs last season? Injuries aside, that shite was Poch's idea. Kloppo played a 4-3-3 but a system that allows his players to switch fast into a 4-2-3-1 with.... yes, exactly Wijnaldum as their 10er and Keita and Millner as DMs! 

If you are playing with rotten apples you will reap a rotten result. Cause this is exactly what happens when you keep players that strongly wanted to leave the club.

Another thing, what was mini-me trying to do in the goal? Head the ball away? How tall is Trips, 4.6 feet?

That brings me to the next thing, the goalie. I thought the Belgian speak french and flemish, but it looks like they prefer french, cause the communication with Vorm was horrible. What a blunder. Where was Lollipop by the way? Injured or rested? From what? His arrest? Anyway, can anybody please throw a bottle on Vorms head so Gazza can play? I'm serious, cause this seems to be the only possibility we get rid of him. Please!

You know my opinion about the refs today and Oliver is one of the most suspect refs in the prem. I won't rely on the club and probably this will be the worst season in Pochs time with the team. The new stadium isn't finished, no players were signed, the season started shite, I can't upload pics and can somebody tell me why I still can't choose Modric as my "favorite spurs player" for my profile? Ugh... everything seems to go down the drain!

But, the good thing is I haven't watched this waste of time and enjoyed a lovely late summer day with my son instead. Life can't be any better! (inside I'm crying) lol

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We were dire yesterday. Vorm had a nightmare and Dier was awful. It was obvious to me just how important Dele is to us as well.  Harry is on a worrying dip in form and Eriksen has yet to influence precedings at all.  If not for Jan and Toby we would be in real problems. 

I really think Gazza needs to start v Inter.  The lads just don’t look the same without Hugo or at least not when it’s Vorm in his place .

two of the shittiest goals conceded I can remember.  Shocking 

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Now I have calmed down a bit, I can give some rational thought to Saturday's performance. These are only opinions of course - some you will agree with and others you will not.

It was not good!

Those who said Vorm is too short were proved right I think. I had no opinion before this game, but his height certainly cost us a goal.

We should have had a penalty, but that would have only papered over the cracks.

Dier is nowhere near good enough. He is an accident waiting to happen. He needs a spell on the bench .... or a transfer! I would honestly prefer Sissoko.

Rose is not as good as Davies. Davies is more solid/reliable and gets caught upfield less often.

Lucas seems to be the only player firing on all cylinders at the moment, although Lamela looked good when he came on. Took his goal really well.

Kane is currently on the periphery in every game - have we changed the way we play?

The result was not a shock, but the way it came about was! The scousers were much better than us.

We cannot defend set pieces.

I figured we would have have beaten Watford, Fulham and Newcastle, lost to Manure and drawn or beat the Scousers - total 10 or maybe 12 points. We have 9. It's not the end of the world (but it felt like it on Saturday).

Winning in Milan is now probably out of our reach - I'd settle for a draw.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Cromulentmart said:

 

Kane is currently on the periphery in every game - have we changed the way we play?

The result was not a shock, but the way it came about was! The scousers were much better than us.

We cannot defend set pieces.

Are you really asking, if we have changed the way we play? YES, mate we have and that is exactly the problem. Moura and Kane don't work. Kano is a centre-forward who is best when he's playing alone upfront and Moura should play on the flanks where he plays to his best. Left/Right, it doesn't moura! 

I'm recently talking to a Liverpool supporter and he doesn't share your opinion. He found the performance average. And to be honest, he is true. Cause the bin dippers weren't better, we were shit and that's the difference. But not only because of the players, Poch plays a big part in that debacle. He totally fcuk-ed it up, with the formation and the line-up. And the bloopers only demonstrates that. Although I think that a 4-2-3-1 would have been better, If Poch had only changed Dier with Moussa things would have looked different. Only because Dembs can pass, Dier can't. And I don't want to criticize Winksy but he was wrong on the pitch. Use him for other matches for god's sake. No matter who is facing him, either Millner or Keita, they are too manly for the boy scout. He is not ready for the big physical matches, even some people here think he is. Maybe he grows a beard. That might help. It was a trial of strength in the mid, that we totally lost.

Tell us something new! :D We are the worst in it. Okay I may be to harsh. Aston Villa is worse!!! lol

 

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Too many CM in the line up. That means we relies on Trippier and Rose to get behind Liverpool's defence. Neither of them troubles Liverpool.

I would say we actually miss Sissoko defending set pieces (I'm not kidding). Sissoko is not one of our best players but he is effective.

Many times in set piece situations Sissoko is able to clear the ball with his header. He keeps things simple.  That poor back pass from Dier is not something Sissoko would do.

 

 

 

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On 9/17/2018 at 11:10 AM, Cromulentmart said:

Now I have calmed down a bit, I can give some rational thought to Saturday's performance. These are only opinions of course - some you will agree with and others you will not.

It was not good!

Those who said Vorm is too short were proved right I think. I had no opinion before this game, but his height certainly cost us a goal.

We should have had a penalty, but that would have only papered over the cracks.

Dier is nowhere near good enough. He is an accident waiting to happen. He needs a spell on the bench .... or a transfer! I would honestly prefer Sissoko.

Rose is not as good as Davies. Davies is more solid/reliable and gets caught upfield less often.

Lucas seems to be the only player firing on all cylinders at the moment, although Lamela looked good when he came on. Took his goal really well.

Kane is currently on the periphery in every game - have we changed the way we play?

The result was not a shock, but the way it came about was! The scousers were much better than us.

We cannot defend set pieces.

I figured we would have have beaten Watford, Fulham and Newcastle, lost to Manure and drawn or beat the Scousers - total 10 or maybe 12 points. We have 9. It's not the end of the world (but it felt like it on Saturday).

Winning in Milan is now probably out of our reach - I'd settle for a draw.

 

 

The last two games with Vorm in goal have been very worrying at set pieces. he is not as good as Hugo at coming off his line to attack the ball, both catching or punching. I think the last 4 goals have been as a result of his weakness and it has been exploited by two teams now.

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3 hours ago, Tonto911 said:

The last two games with Vorm in goal have been very worrying at set pieces. he is nas good as Hugo at coming off the attack the ball, both catching or punching. I think the last 4 goals have been as a result of his weakness and it has been exploited by two teams now.

I remember Hugo was in Goal, when we conceded 2 goals from Watford. Vorm ain't good, but its the lack of communication between the players and Pochs shitty system that brings the players under pressure as well.

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13 hours ago, Spurfect said:

I remember Hugo was in Goal, when we conceded 2 goals from Watford. Vorm ain't good, but its the lack of communication between the players and Pochs shitty system that brings the players under pressure as well.

This season Hugo has been excellent.

 

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The season just has started! :D Anyway, he is one of the best, but the communication among the defenders is awful. Just watch the second goal from Watford. Horrible defending and despite Vorm is a joke the blooper in the Liverpool match says all

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19 hours ago, Spurfect said:

The season just has started! :D Anyway, he is one of the best, but the communication among the defenders is awful. Just watch the second goal from Watford. Horrible defending and despite Vorm is a joke the blooper in the Liverpool match says all

He came to us with a good reputation as a shotstopper on his line, which he is, but he is weak in the air certainly, and this does cause concern with the defenders as to whether to challenge for it or leave it to him, as with the first bindippers goal. The first goal last night went across him, and tbf he really had no chance of getting to it, not sure about the second as I turned the tv off, rather than watch the endless replays and listen to that twattish welsh tosser  lily savage. (Apologies to any fellow Welshmen on here, but he gets to me with his rubbish comments).

Why do have to endure from both sky and bt, rubbish commentary from ex players, in the case of lily savage, not even a good one, instead of having an ex THFC player or even 'arry Rednapp (instead of his poncy son...... jamie...) there are too many/countless ex woolwich failures also invading my earspace with opinions that I am not interested in.....

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On 19. September 2018 at 12:34 PM, Tonto911 said:

He came to us with a good reputation as a shotstopper on his line, which he is, but he is weak in the air certainly, and this does cause concern with the defenders as to whether to challenge for it or leave it to him, as with the first bindippers goal. The first goal last night went across him, and tbf he really had no chance of getting to it, not sure about the second as I turned the tv off, rather than watch the endless replays and listen to that twattish welsh tosser  lily savage. (Apologies to any fellow Welshmen on here, but he gets to me with his rubbish comments).

Why do have to endure from both sky and bt, rubbish commentary from ex players, in the case of lily savage, not even a good one, instead of having an ex THFC player or even 'arry Rednapp (instead of his poncy son...... jamie...) there are too many/countless ex woolwich failures also invading my earspace with opinions that I am not interested in.....

understandable ;)

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